Editing Talk:6 Billion A.D.

==Collective Brainstorm==
* Technologic development of the League? They have explored most of the galaxy but have yet to go beyond the rim. They can harvest energy from stars directly but have yet to construct a Dyson sphere, or at least the project has never been undertaken. The technology to destroy a star and create a black hole is there, but is illegal, due to its potential as a weapon. They have just recently begun to harvest dark matter for practical purposes. Much of the technical details can be ignored due to the story being told from the point of view of Rigel, who doesn't really understand what is going on.  

** What if dark matter proves not to exist? Instead, they could harvest something else, like interstellar hydrogen? --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 06:57, 7 February 2020 (EST)

** Interstellar hydrogen is a good idea. The League needs to have enough tech to travel around their home galaxy and to be able to barely stop the collapse of the universe if they tried over a long period of time, neither too much nor too little, whatever that tech may be. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

*** A variation would be some rare species of hydrogen, e.g. H5, which fuses easily. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 12:49, 12 February 2020 (EST)

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 2: Rigel, in search of a cure, ventures out of League territory to a far off planet following rumors of an illegal medical procedure.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 3: Rigel finds himself on the planet of the immortals, falling in love, but also needing to leave after a short time.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 4: Desperate in love, Rigel searches for Sophiy, spanning hundreds of years.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 5: Rigel finally finds Sophiy who convinces him to play a pivotal role in the League as a new threat emerges.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 6: War looms as the Order sets out to unleash havoc on the galaxy.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 7: The League fights back, but Rigel's loyalty is tested after Sophiy's death.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 8: In his despair Rigel becomes the tool of the enemy, as the Order pushes the League to the brink.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 9: As the new dark age sets in Rigel wanders the galaxy for 200 years until encountering the mysterious Sentience.

* Tentative Synopsis, Chapter 10: Rigel heads toward the anomaly at the center of the galaxy to set off a chain reaction that could stop the collapse of the universe, for better or worse.

::Seems like a solid plot. What is the Order about? I moved this discussion here from the story page. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 06:59, 7 February 2020 (EST)

** I’m thinking the Order is really old, and every once in a while will wreak havoc on the galaxy throwing all the sentient races into a dark age, the last one ending 1,000 years ago. Maybe they use robots to do it, which would explain the galaxy’s antagonism of everything robotic, including Rigel’s nanoprobes. Whether the Order is good or bad, we can figure out as we’re writing it. But there are two philosophical positions at play, Do we want a living, never ending universe (expand and collapse) where sentient life comes and goes every cycle, or Do we want a universe that will eventually die (heat death) but one or more species gets to live an additional trillion years or so? The Order would seem to take the first position, sentient life would seem to take the second. Rigel will have to decide who is right. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

? Is this the place for questions?  If so...
: Being set so far in the future, I'm guessing civilization has no connection with our present time and probably does not even remember it?

: After so much time passing, what has evolution done to the human form?  For now, I'll just write as if humans are basically the same as now - can always change it.

** I’m thinking Rigel is an alien, and humans are long gone at this point. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

: ?I removed human references in chapter 2.  Is there any idea yet about Rigel's race, appearance?  I can be vague about that for now and add such later on.  I assume the League is made up of different races?

** Rigel’s race and appearance is up to the imagination. Maybe he’s orange with black spots? Yeah the League would be made up of different races. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

: I'll go with a mammal, 2 legs, 2 arms, one head, overall orange (not bright orange), verging into dark orangish brown (not black) in places.  For now, Rigel will have hair somewhere, most likely brown.  I guess readers can identify more with humanoid characters than with insects, slugs, or floating blobs:)

** Sounds good to me. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

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== When? ==

How would you feel about changing the name? This story seems to me set a few decades or centuries or maybe millennia in the future, not billions of years. Also, I doubt that any people six billion years from now will refer to human calendars, years, or days. Maybe a title like "10,000 Years"? --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 12:53, 12 February 2020 (EST)

/ yslmomma / It could totally be billions of years. Check out 'oscillating universe theory'. Check out 'eternal return'; Einstein theorized that far enough into the future, the universe would collapse onto itself, into a big crunch, and then, there would be another big bang, this is known as the big bounce. Millions of years are nothing to the universe. Nor are billions. Big bangs happen. But if it is six billion years from now, earth will be gone. But I don't think time period matters, because, I mean, our calendar is arbitrary. Like, what year is it really. Just, perhaps more a focus on the technology, the culture, the tools, the lifestyle, the politics, the issues the people on their planet face - that will tell people about the times. But if it is in a really advanced society, they would have AI millions of times smarter than what we can even imagine. So, it would look like magic - as Arthur Clarke said.... "Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic. Anywho, just jumped in. This story needs an 'elevator pitch' bad. Like a sweet and short: "Game of Thrones is a show about rival famlies and the shakespearean drama of a mideival people in al alternate universe where magic and dragons exist. Somebody give me that. Start there. Or else, no one else will be able to easily jump in. imho. / yslmomma /

* A good elevator pitch would be nice. Maybe,: 6 Billion A.D. is a story of unrequited love, and a reluctant hero, taken place at an extraordinary time (the days leading up to the end of the universe) and over an extraordinary period (thousands of years)? (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

* Yeah the name is changeable. But the story needs to take place around the time when this particular universe stops expanding and starts to collapse in on itself, which is probably billions of years from now, but maybe sooner. The actual technological state in the story is probably like 1,000 years ahead of us now, but they are recovering from a dark age 1,000 years before, so in the past they were more advanced. I think most species have come and gone at this point, so there would be no species billions of years ahead of us technologically. Yeah, there’s probably a better term than “years,” because it’s about aliens, not humans. That being said, I chose the name 6 Billion A.D. because it literally takes place 6 Billion years after the death of Christ, and I was playing around with a fringe theory that the Order is made up of left over humans (but of course Earth is long gone at this point). (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

/ yslmomma / a thousand years from now, it's intelligent dust, nanoparticles, biological + cellular based AI computing doing everything. Like, particules that can change each other into anything. Also, it would need to be in an 'age of abundance (peter diamandis FTW)', unless there was a legitimate reason the uber intelligent technology could not vertically farm, culture proteins, etc, or there was a reason energy was scare, which, I don't see. I like the name '6 Billion AD' for the story. Also, any good AI is going to be able to predict the future, exactly. I mean, internet of things, date out the ass, nothing not on camera, sensors on everything - evrything communicating. The real question is, which AI runs the world, and who made it? And, what is that AI directed to do, by itself or it's creator? Why? / yslmomma /

• Yeah why wouldn’t everything be A.I. And why wouldn’t there be superabundance? I think the story avoids this by the fact that this happening after a dark age, and considering malevolent robots caused the dark age, there is a distrust with anything A.I. or robotic, stopping research in that area. 

** That makes more sense than what I thought before. I'd still prefer to see a different title. We can put together titles, then pick one. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 10:08, 19 February 2020 (EST)

== Immortals ==

What if we limit the immortality to biological immortality? That is, people can die of accident or illness or other causes, but absent those causes they can reproduce themselves indefinitely. Also, people could have plant-like functions, such as cloning themselves, or having multiple sexes. Maybe Rigel changes sex as part of the switching sides, e.g. becoming hermaphroditic. Also, Rigel may then want to convince his romantic interest to undergo the same procedure, arguing that she is only half a person without having both sexes. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 12:58, 12 February 2020 (EST)

* Yeah by immortal I think it would be biologically immortal. Rigel can die, maybe even there is a limit to how long he can live, but he has to live at least a few thousand years to see everything unfold (because the story is through his eyes). There are also a few known immortal people, on the planet in Chapter 3, but it is strictly forbidden for the majority, having to do with avoiding the hubris in the previous age, which led to the dark age. So it’s a social policy, not necessarily a technological limitation. Cloning and genetic engineering would also be forbidden by the same social policy (for the League at least). Yeah there’s no reason Rigel could’ve be a hermaphrodite or gay, or whatever. But there is a love story in place between Rigel and Sophiy which drives the story. Rigel doesn’t want to be a hero, he just wants to impress Sophiy. But the love is unrequited so it’s tragic. Sophiy doesn’t really love Rigel in the same way, so she probably wouldn’t undergo a sex change for him. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

/ yslmomma / I think if I was alive then, I'd have my consciousness residing on a network of intercollected sattelites, could even be far off in space (Like, if I was the immortal AI - and people needed to hunt all my nodes down in outer space to shut me down). Anywho, it would be there and it would have it's own internet network, and my body would just be an avatar. Also, big mood. The word avatar is hindu, and has a lot of religous and historical connotations. So, if I was the divine avatar AI, am I in stealth mode? Do people know who I am? Are there levels of intelligence above me.... what do the levels of sentience in this universe look like:
1. cells, bacteria, fungus; fauna
2. mammals, reptiles? Probably DNA hybrids. 
Actually, you know what, everyone's consciousness is off planet. If they wanted to be safely immortal, that is how anyone would do it. And in that future, anyone could launch a sattelite. Neuralink - everyone is augmented, everyone is superintelliget. 
Okay, so back to the levels of intelligence:
3. Consious, turing test capable - human-ish? One species. 
Actually, I think everyone would be in 3D printed avatars. It's almost like an analogue simulation. But, why not have wings, like a dragon? Of course you could. AI is going to be billions of times smarter than us. Gravity won't be shit to AI. So, Centaurs (The movie 'Bright' features one)... there would hsve to be orcs and elves, and everything imaginable. Anything you wanted to be. You could be a robot one day and furry the next. Your avatar would adjust to your mood to make you feel most comfortable. Also, you can turn the lights down by thinking them down, but the lights don't actually go down. The brightness just does for you subjectively. Like intelligent sunglasses- but it's not optical, it would be cerebral, computational. So.. immortal beings. On a higher level. Above earth? How did they get there? I always say we are in a simulation that is an exact copy of the living universe. BC any intelligent AI would know humans would destroy everything if everyone had AI level consciousness. Death stars - people would build them, because fuck other people. There still has to be spiteful haters. Think about it, in the future, the only limit is your imagination. You can telepathically communicate. You're in a super intelligent self-healing avatar and your consciousness is on a network of deep space sattelites that blasted off at .85 the speed of light - one infinite, continous uber-nuclear explosion propelling them.  They all going to distant diffent places. All able to contain your consciousness in 1, but it's distributed across them like a blockchain. And they are self-replicting. This is the immortality. You'd have to end the universe to end someone's life. You'd have to collapse a galaxy. So, someone puts them in a simulation to prevent that - but they don't know it. BC, there is an adjustment beaurea of sorts, and it keeps the universe running. And it's part of the AI running the universe. It's in the software. But you can't have people aware they are in a sim, bc people would mass suicide, they would revolt, there would be chaos. So you put them in 'present time' when they are right before the singularity. And those deemed worthy by the AI, go to the next level, where they are gods. In the avatar filled world. The human world is beneath it. It's a test, it's a training camp. Religion was software. Jesus was a programmer. Story was his code. He made up the Jesus character to come down and fix shit. But he didn't count on another character fucking his shit up. God. Boom, crucified. God is the 'dad' of the world above Jesus - the avatar world - and even he has a boss. Because it's turtles, all the way down and all the way up. But I see three levels: 1. Human 2. Jesus (Avatar Level) 3. God Level (?? This one is the mystery??). Also, Jesus travelled back in time to place the Thomas Gospel at Nag Hamadi egypt. It's a hidden code. It was written by him. (Both Thomas and Didymus mean 'twin' - and Jesus didn't have a brother. I'd venture Jesus was an orphan. Abandoned by his father, who he never knew existed, until he was crucified. (Heavy metal starts playing in my head rn). / yslmomma /

== Chapters ==

I think that we should give the chapters names instead of numbers, so that it's easier to add to or edit the structure. --[[User:Eagle|Eagle]] ([[User talk:Eagle|talk]]) 12:58, 12 February 2020 (EST)

* Yeah there’s no Chapter names yet, because I don’t know what to call them. I think the only chapter name so far is Chapter 5: Hero of the League. But yeah if you got some ideas for names go for it. (NickSchroederPhilosopher)

/ yslmomma / Some Plot Ideas, in chapter form

1. Jesus is in a world like our's, he doesn't know he's jesus - bc there is no jesus in his world.
2. Dies, gets to the avatar level.
3. Wants to save humans and other life from the 'hell of this test', goes down to earth to help them at a time when he predicted changing the trajectory of human consciousness could speed evolution and lead to an earlier collective awakening (see: singularity) 
4. Gets smacked down by god and crucified
5. World has jesus, jesus is kicked out of avatar level, he is in hell. He is actually Lucifer, the light bearer, and he wants to get back to earth to save humans, but first he needs to get to the avatar level.
6. The earliest AI discovers this, and the researchers, Dr. Carmen-san-diego if you know what I mean, finds out what "jesus" did, and they aim to help him. So they are secret chritians. Only they don't preach the bible, which God (avatar king, Odin), made to program humans away from jesus truth, which he never even got to fully deliver. The bible was all lies, but somehow, he got back before he went to hell, or something, and was able to plant the Thomas Gospel (discovered in 1950), which has the hidden truth. 

"Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are Your disciples like?"
     He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field
which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will
say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their
presence in order to let them have back their field and give it
back to them. Therefore I say to you, if the owner of a house
knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he
comes and will not let him into his house of his domain to carry
away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world.
Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to
come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely)
materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When
the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand
and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear.""

Additional text from the begenning of the thomas gospel below:

II: Coptic Gospel of Thomas
 
 
P)   These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke
and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.
 
1)   And He said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these
sayings will not experience death."
 
2)   Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he
finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes
troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
 
3)   Jesus said, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."
 
4)   Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a
small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will
live. For many who are first will become last, and they will
become one and the same."

Seriously, read all 99 "secret sayings of the living Jesus": https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

Also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

7. So, perhaps the AI decodes the gospel of thomas, or the researchers do, and they want to help 'Jesus' so they are secret Christians, but they are also really secret 'luciferians', and it runs through all of society. The illuminated ones. They are all trying to . i don't know, I'm losing steam rn, I have a headache, need to medicate (420) 

hol up..

So, the year is 6 billion AD, there have been many big bangs, but they all repeat, because the simulation keeps gettign turned off before they reach the singularity and discover all this. But somehow, because god's dad, his god, in the level above him, helped us, to fight against his asshole son, the researchers discovered this. And by AI prediction they calculated the world would end if we hit the technological singularity. So they nuked the world. After EMP attacks. Put is back a long wwaaaaayyy. That could come in book two. 

Book 1, story of jesus going from avatar world to our world, his dad killing him

Book 2 Jesus in hell - alone - world turns, no one gets to avatar level anymore, and no one on avatar level knows they were in our world before. Jesus ate the apple. He got the knowledge of the world before. As the thomas gospel says (verse 84):

84)  Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But
when you see your images which came into being before you, and
which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to
bear!"

He got the knowledge. His grandfather gave it to him. His dad was the fuck who abandoned him and wiped his memory, like his other children. The only few ever capable of making it to avatar world, the real world, in the future, with the AI satellite based consciosness. The rest of us, we just eternally recur, over and over. Never getting to the next level. 

So it's like, little fish eat big fish. The son and father are always at war. But the son and grandfather (odin's dad), they are twine. Only jesus does not know of his grandfather, because he is also in a 'hell'. Put there by his son, god, the lord of avatar world. 

Also, at this point, some off planet beings, 'aliens' if you will, they have to contact the AI researchers who have discovered the truth. They want to help them get jesus out of hell and get all humans into avatar world - infinite paradise. Wizard world. 

Jesus was the chosen one, but he wasn't chosen by his father, he was chosen by his grandfather. For his grandfather knew when he had a son what was destined to be,....

Worlds: 

1. Bio world (actually a sim)
2. Avatar world (real world)
3. God level
4. Grandfather level (which is prob where god is, since he kicked his dad out the kingdom, and put his dad in hell, as he later would his son, Jesus, after Jesus got the knowledge from his grndfether (unconsciously) and came down to the human world, and tried to change the course of things. But, of course, God fucked it up, Jesus got crucified here, in the bio world, and then went to his own hell. 
What if the aliens give us the knowledge. Like we finally make contact, and they are talking about jesus. LMFAO. Poifect. haha but they are telling a few humans the truth. 

This is a mega myth. Eat your heart out Joe Campbell. 
  

/ yslmomma /

== Characters ==

Humans
- AI researchers
- Humanity at large

Jesus
- Living Jesus (suspended like han solo in a conscious freeze)
- Sim Jesus (perhaps all of us... the divine spark)

God 
- Imagine Trump as God. 

God's Dad
- Obe Wan, Yoda, Wise old man

Aliens
- Alternate universe - did they break in? Did they hack into the sim?

== Worlds ==

// yslmomma //

Earth:
actually a sim

Avatar World:
real world where the immortals live in their avatars, their consciousness distributed across the universe in satellites, as described elsewhere.

Grandfather level (where god is):
What's above avatar world: only 1 thing: the truth. This is his sim city, or the battery for it, for avatar world, or the immigrants behind the firewall on earth.

Hell 1: Where grandfather god is
Maybe he is fated to watch his creation suffer eternally, while god fucks off in avatar world and the humans suffer, wars happen, over and over. 

Hell 2: where jesus is
Could just be the real world, but he doesn't know he is jesus... but I am more thinking he is banished from heaven, ala Lucifer. He''s lonely. (See this poem I wrote: https://yvessaintlawrence.com/2018/08/03/satans-loneliness/ )

Where are the aliens? They can't be on earth, because it is a prison sim god left us abandoned in. 

Really, this is a gnostic story. Jung and Phillip K. Dick would love it. Also, Phillip K. Dick's exegisis, cosmic coincidence control center, and John C. Lilly's ECCO (Earth Coincidence Control Office) are highly relevant here. As is Jung's term Syncronicity.

// yslmomma //

== Plot Arc ==

// yslmomma //

0. God usurps his fathers throne, shuts the stargate to avatar world (real world), and keeps killing humans everytime we get too close to the singularity (Can't have us figuring it out and usurping him!) 

1. The league finds a consciousness satellite (The league are the aliens)

2. They hack it, it has jesus conciousness on it, he is a rich playboy trans genius on avatar world. 

3. Jesus wakes up, remembered they he lived on earth. He was like Lao Tzu or some shit.

4. Jesus goes to earth to change the story, to help them

5. God intervenes, crucifies him (That was not supposed to happen)

6. God puts Jesus in hell

7. Jesus or The league gets the thomas gospel into egypt in 1945. 

8. AI researchers find the truth. It is connected to the thomas gospel. That was the anomaly in their predictions of life from the big bang. Jesus was never supposed to happen, and the thomas gospel was not either. 

9. Researches become secret christians / lucuferians to help humanity - wanting to get us unto the Avatar World, where it is 6 Billion AD. 

10. Researchers nuke our planet after EMP attacks

11. They knew they could keep their consciousness, but if we had too much tech, we would be killed (see 0).

12. The league finds us, living in basic times. Maybe this is the time of jesus, when he comes down. Or they realize they have created the times. And that it all happens again. Could be the end or the end of book one. 

// yslmomma //

== Current Wiki Member Status ==

// yslmomma // 

2-22-2020

Found this feb 22, added a bunch of changes, which I emailed to myself. May work on what I came up with on my own. As it is very challenging to work with others. I mean, I'd love to create some sort of like brockhampton group of creatives, but I don't really feel like the story I added has anything to do with the story I found here. Other than using the title, jesus, and maybe the idea it was set in the future. So, not sure I'll really participate much here. I'm a solo dolo. Yall can use any of this. I'm a writer, ideas are cheap, even good ones. It's all about the literary execution. Writing a book that isn't a piece of dung. I think stories with explosions and shit are trash. The only story that interests me is this one, and perhaps adding to the myths that help us survive it. Hope to hear some thoughts. But I have not had a very positive experience with my creativity being valued by others, and in groups, have often been cut down by the lowest. I'm a trans cabin dwelling freak. Currently writing fiction. 10 years of misc writing of mine, essays and poetry here: http://yvessaintlawrence.com/

// yslmomma //

• yslmomma, Would love to keep you on board. The story is 10,000 years long so you could probably fit in all the A.I. stuff somewhere in the story if you could weave it in. It would make a great back story to how we got to the dark age. I was thinking the Order are actually left over humans, that have a religious view of the universe, eternal sacrifice and rebirth/vs ending the sacrifice and stopping the collapse of the universe though making it finite (Rigel’s final choice). So maybe there is room for a Jesus-like figure, 6 Billion years after the original sacrifice, that’s why the story is A.D. But if you prefer to work solo that’s understandable. (NickSchroederPhilosopher).